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There is a popular misconception that racial preferences in college admissions and personnel matters simply help to decide between applicants of essentially the same academic level. This is not true, and here is just one quantifiable evidence of this:

<< A 2009 Princeton study showed Asian-Americans had to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics and 450 points higher than blacks to have the same chance of admission to leading universities. >>


Sure enough, the article in NY Times concentrates on the unfair advantage of white applicants over the Asians (yes, it is unfair as well, of course), that's their narrative. But the numbers are there, and so you can easily see that and average black applicant is admitted with 310 points less on their SAT than an average white one. That's is quite a lot. And, on top of that, please pay attention to the "leading universities" part of the above quote. This is important. Apparently, there are not enough well qualified black applicants even for the top schools.

One may wonder, what would happen if schools and colleges stopped using racial preferences in the admission process. Luckily, we have a way of knowing., as there are still some schools that base their admission process entirely on qualification of the applicants and do not take race into the account. Here is one example:


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<< A Georgia woman says she and her fellow Delta passengers were prevented from singing the national anthem as crews unloaded the casket of a fallen soldier at Atlanta’s airport last weekend. Pamela Dee Gaudry was on a flight toward Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport when she says she learned that the body of a fallen soldier — 29-year-old Army Staff Sgt. Dustin Wright — was on her plane....
As the flight neared its destination, however, Gaudry says the chief flight attendant came up to her and informed her it was against Delta’s policy to sing the national anthem. Gaudry claims the attendant then explained how some of the passengers were from other countries, and may be offended by them singing the national anthem. >>


This is a fucking disgrace. American people arriving to Atlanta on an American plane are banned from singing the American anthem - because some foreigners may be offended by hearing it? Apparently, Delta administration got scared of potential consequences and denied that this was the airline policy, but the actions of the flight attendant are not very surprising given the general climate in the country.

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From the Department of State:

<< On October 12, 2017, the Department of State notified UNESCO Director-General Irina Bokova of the U.S. decision to withdraw from the organization and to seek to establish a permanent observer mission to UNESCO. This decision was not taken lightly, and reflects U.S. concerns with mounting arrears at UNESCO, the need for fundamental reform in the organization, and continuing anti-Israel bias at UNESCO.
Pursuant to Article II(6) of the UNESCO Constitution, U.S. withdrawal will take effect on December 31, 2018. >>

This is a great decision, and it is especially wonderful to read this as a message from the State Department.

In case you are wondering whether the anti-Israel is real and sufficient - here is just one illustration:

<< Submitted to UNESCO’s Executive Board by Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, Morocco, Oman, Qatar and Sudan, the resolution on “Occupied Palestine,” which indicates that Israel has no legal or historical rights anywhere in Jerusalem, had been expected to pass, given the automatic anti-Israel majority in the 58-member body.
The resolution indicates rejection of the Jewish state’s sovereignty in any part of Jerusalem. Israel is referred to throughout the document as the “occupying power” in Jerusalem, indicating that it has no legal or historical ties to any part of the city.
The vote, which coincided with Israel’s Independence Day, passed with 22 countries in favor, 23 abstentions, 10 opposed, and the representatives of three countries absent.
The 10 countries that voted against the resolution were the US, UK, Italy, the Netherlands, Lithuania, Greece, Paraguay, Ukraine, Togo, and Germany. >>

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<< Earlier this month, 41-year-old Robert Pattison went to introduce himself to his fellow firefighters at Engine 55 at Joy and Southfield in Detroit. Second Battallion Chief Shawn McCarty calls it a tradition for firefighters.

"It's not mandatory, it's voluntary," he says. "You come in bearing gifts. The usual gift is doughnuts, but you are allowed to bring whatever you want to bring in."

And Pattison, a probationary firefighter, decided to bring a watermelon wrapped in a pink ribbon. We're told some African-American firefighters were instantly offended, since 90 percent of the people who work at Engine 55 are black.
Fire Commissioner Eric Jones says the Fenton native was officially discharged.

In a statement Jones says: "There is zero tolerance for discriminatory behavior inside the Detroit Fire Department. On Saturday, Sept. 30, 2017, at Engine 55, a trial firefighter (probationary employee) engaged in unsatisfactory work behavior which was deemed offensive and racially insensitive to members of the Detroit Fire Department.

"After a thorough investigation, it was determined that the best course of action was to terminate the employment of this probationary employee." >>


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<< Violent left-wing anarchists have announced a nationwide campaign to deface Christopher Columbus statues this coming Monday. Five Christopher Columbus statues have already been vandalized in New York City in recent weeks...In one case last month, vandals defaced a "larger-than-life" statue of Columbus in Central Park, leaving blood-red paint on his hands, and scrawled, "Hate will not be tolerated" and "#SomethingsComing"  on its pedestal.
What is coming appears to be a coordinated campaign to destroy monuments all across the country on Columbus Day.
The militant group recently hosted an "Our Enemies in Blue" anti-police workshop at its branch in Brooklyn, NY.
RAM posted a video called "Against Columbus Day" on the antifa website It’s Going Down, showcasing destroyed monuments across the country and black-clad thugs strutting around menacingly to psycho synth music.

"The battles lines have been drawn and white supremacists are on notice," the anarchists wrote in a statement on the website. "White nationalist statues are crumbling all over the US as our collective revolutionary power is growing." >>

You still do not see what is going on?

BTW, I am sure there will be quite a few of those who will either downplay this as being insignificant or even start finding excuses why the idea that the monuments have to go is not too bad. This is the worst response possible and the softest thing I can say about it is "Stockholm Syndrome."

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ACLU is a fairly leftist organization, but they dared to defend the free speech. Here is one of the results:

<< A celebration of free speech at William & Mary College in Virginia took an unexpected turn last week when protesters from Black Lives Matter swarmed the stage and forced organizers to end the event.

“Liberalism is white supremacy!” the protesters shouted...

The disruption occurred before Claire Guthrie Gastañaga, executive director of the ACLU of Virginia, could give a planned speech on freedom of expression....The protesters...were heard shouting other slogans, including, "The oppressed are not impressed!,” “Blood on your hands!,” and “The revolution will not uphold the Constitution!”

Gastañaga tried to point out to the disruption as an example of why she needs to talk about freedom of expression on university campuses, saying “Good, I like this,” as the protesters raised their signs.

"I'm going to talk to you about knowing your rights, and protests and demonstrations, which this illustrates very well," she said. "Then I'm going to respond to questions from the moderators, and then questions from the audience."

But the protesters continued the disruption and barred anyone from approaching Gastañaga to speak. One organizer reportedly granted the demonstration's leader a chance to speak.

“When is the free speech of the oppressed protected? We know from personal experience that rights granted to wealthy, white, cis, male, straight bodies do not trickle down to marginalized groups. We face greater barriers and consequences for speaking,” the protester said. >>

This is fascist thuggery in action. This is also an illustration as to how it is enough to not support the extremist agenda to be called a "white supremacist".

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As a comment - among other things, it tells you a [rather trivial] fact that seeing each other as parts of the same entity promotes understanding and sober consideration of facts. And this is why the "progressive" efforts of separating us into groups are extremely harmful. Here is just one illustration from my own personal experience. After attending a certain "diversity and inclusion" event at my organization (this event deserves more attention, perhaps I'll address it in later posts), we were sent an assessment form by one of the senior administrator of the university. Here is one of the questions, verbatum:

"After attending this listening circle, I am more aware that every interaction with another person is intercultural; this may be due to differences between me and the other person that are invisible or perhaps there are things at play for each of us that we are unaware of ourselves."

The above concept was a huge topic of the actual event. We are encouraged to seek out differences in each other, and then, of course, we are blamed for discriminating against others because we see them as not being members of our reference group.



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Let me quote:

<< A study by Paul Vitz of twenty-two readers for grades three and six published in the 1970s and early 1980s and used in California, Texas, and many other states revealed that only five out of 670 stories and articles in these readers had "any patriotic theme." Seventeen of the twenty-two textbooks did not contain any story with a patriotic theme. All five patriotic stories dealt with the Revolution; none had "anything to do with American history since 1780." In four of the five stories the principal person is a girl, in three the same girl, Sybil Ludington. The twenty-two books lack any story "featuring Nathan Hale, Patrick Henry, Daniel Boone, or Paul Revere's ride." "Patriotism," Vitz concludes, "is close to nonexistent" in these readers. In another study of six 1970s high school history textbooks, Harvard professor Nathan Glazer and Tufts professor Reed Ueda found that "not one of the new histories claims as a principal objective inculcating patriotism, a function embraced by the history texts that appeared during and soon after World War I. Moralism and nationalism are both out of date." In the 1970s histories "the central processes that integrated American society are trivialized."

An analysis by Sandra Stotsky of twelve grade four and grade six readers published in the 1990s concluded that "the trends Iiams and Vitz detected have continued, if not accelerated." In these readers, "selections about national symbols and songs are almost nonexistent." The emphasis is instead on ethnic and racial groups. From 31 percent to 73 percent of all the selections dealing with America dealt with ethnic and racial groups, and in 90 percent of these selections with ethnic content the groups referred to were blacks, Asian-Americans, American Indians, and Hispanic-Americans. As a result, a 1987 study of high school students found that more knew who Harriet Tubman was than knew that Washington commanded the American army in the Revolution or that Abraham Lincoln wrote the Emancipation Proclamation. "The net effect," Stotsky concludes, "is the disappearing of an American culture as a whole." Summing up the situation in 1997, Nathan Glazer highlighted "how complete has been the victory of multiculturalism in the public schools of America."


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The was written by Samuel Huntington, an Ivy League professor himself, in a book titled "Who Are We?" published in 2004. I would argue that the deconstruction of the national unity has progressed very significantly since that time.

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The person who leaked military documents and was convicted on 17 charges, including five counts of espionage and theft? Manning's sentence was eventually commuted by Obama. And so:

<< Former CIA Acting Director Michael Morell on Thursday announced his resignation as a senior fellow at Harvard after the university named U.S. Army soldier-turned-convicted felon Chelsea Manning a visiting fellow.

Manning will take on the role at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government, the school said on its website >>

I have checked the Harvard website, Manning's name is indeed posted there. Is Harvard an American or an anti-American university?

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Here is my recollection of how the current discussions regarding the illegal immigration came to the forefront of the public attention. It was caused by a certain event that happened in 1995:

<< In a classic urban nightmare, about a dozen gang members surrounded "a car full of children" that took a wrong turn onto a graffiti-marred dead-end street in the dark early Sunday, blocked the vehicle as the driver tried frantically to escape, and then opened fire on the passengers.

A 3-year-old girl was killed, Los Angeles police said. Her 2-year-old brother, who was sitting in an infant car seat, and the car's driver were both wounded in the ambush in the gang-ridden Cypress Park neighborhood they accidentally strayed into as they were returning from a barbecue.

Stephanie Kuhen was hit in the head and mortally wounded in the barrage from handguns. Her brother Joseph, 2, was struck in the foot. The driver, Timothy Stone, 25, was shot in the back. Stephanie's mother, Robynn, 26, and her brother Christopher, 5, and uncle, David Dalton, 22, were unhurt.

No arrests had been made in what police are calling a completely unprovoked ambush shooting by Latino gang members in an area between railroad tracks and the hills of Mt. Washington in northeast Los Angeles. >>

There were other stories at about the same time, such as this one, described by the late Harvard Professor Samuel Huntington in his book "Who Are We?" (also with a reference to LA Times):

<< At a Gold Cup soccer game between Mexico and the United States in February 1998, the 91,255 fans were immersed in a "sea of red, white, and green flags"; they booed when "The Star-Spangled Banner" was played; they "pelted" the U.S. players "with debris and cups of what might have been water, beer or worse"; and they attacked with "fruit and cups of beer" a few fans who tried to to raise an American flag. This game took place not in Mexico City but in Los Angeles. "Something's wrong when I can't even raise an American flag in my own country," a U.S. fan commented, as he ducked a lemon going by his head. "Playing in Los Angeles is not a home game for the United States," a Los Angeles Times reporter agreed. >>

Back then, the attention of the public was caused by a realization that their American cities are no longer as American or safe as they used to be, and that the illegal immigration plays a significant role in this change. And now it is all very different - now we are supposed to back over backwards to make sure we do not inconvenience illegal aliens in any way and that we do not hurt their sensitivities. How did this shift happen - and why? Any ideas? The previous round of attention to the illegal immigration culminated in the so called "Operation Wetback," that was an extremely effective mass deportation action.
It also stands as a great illustration to the mantra about the alleged impossibility of deporting significant numbers of illegals being plain wrong. The current round leads to the both major parties racing each other to amnesting and legalizing as many illegals as possible. No country can survive like this.

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<< A monument commemorating “Star-Spangled Banner” author Francis Scott Key was vandalized in downtown Baltimore, officials said Wednesday. Photographs show the monument, at 1200 N. Eutaw St., covered with red paint and the words “racist anthem” written in black....
Key, a Maryland native who wrote “The Star-Spangled Banner” after the Battle of Baltimore during the War of 1812, died in 1843 — almost two decades before the Civil War began — and was not a Confederate. >>

Also, note this:
<< McCarthy [a spokesman for Baltimore Mayor Catherine E. Pugh (D)] said there were no plans to remove the Key statue.

“Those conversations may take place in the future, but they’re certainly not part of any conversations taking place in the city of Baltimore right now,” he said. >>

Do you still think it is just about the Confederacy?

A related story:

<< One of the things that make Reed [College] academically special is Humanities 110, its required freshman lecture course in Western civilization. Taught by a team of experts on different authors and periods, and with a syllabus that includes Homer, Hesiod, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Thucydides, Plato, Virgil, Ovid, the Book of the Dead, and parts of the Bible, it's the kind of course that students at many another high-profile college shut down a couple of decades ago.

In 1987, Jesse Jackson led hundreds of Stanford students in the chant: “Hey hey, ho ho, Western civ has got to go.” Two years later, Stanford's Western Culture course was replaced with a more “inclusive” program. But somehow the Western civ course at Reed survived.

That may change soon. In an article published last fall in the college magazine, Reed alumus Chris Lydgate recalled how much he'd loved the course when he took it three decades ago, but noted that students were now tagging it as “an example of institutional racism” that “conveys the surreptitious message that white men are the authentic source of thought and civilization.”

Claiming that the works taught in the course have played a role “in colonialism, racism, and slavery,” these students were demanding that the course be revised to “include a history of the Western canon as racist and anti-black.” >>

What can I say? Yes, it is hard to brainwash people into the doctrine of "multiculturalism" and yet let them see all the contributions made by the "majority culture", especially if these contributions are viewed in the positive light.

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During the few recent years, Confederate statues have been removed (in lawful procedures and otherwise), names of places have been changed. A couple of years ago, Memphis city council voted to remove not only a monument but also a couple of graves. And now "Gone with the Wind" screenings have been pulled because of being "insensitive".

My big question to you is this: why now?

First of all, just to get this out of the way. No, I do NOT see the American Civil War as a war of good (the North) against evil (the South). There is much to say about this, including on the issue of slavery and race relations in general, but I am not going to do it in this post. I am just making a point that the conflict between the North and the South was not at all a simple matter to judge, while I leave the discussion of merits and problems of the both sides to another day.

Well, perhaps I should mention just one fact, as a brief illustration. It is the Grant's Order No. 11 that stated that: “The Jews, as a class violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department… are hereby expelled from [Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi] within 24 hours.” But let us not digress.

What is incontrovertible is that the war, while starting in a somewhat mild way, turned quite barbaric eventually. It was a total war, and the Grant and Sherman won it in a very brutal way. Do you realize, for instance, that the city of Atlanta was burned _after_ it had already been captured by the northern troops? The residents were ordered out, and the city set on fire. All in all, the South was brutalized and suppressed, and an occupational military force (officially called by this name) was posted in the southern states for years. The so called reconstruction was a clear imposition of the way of life of the conquering country upon the defeated land.

The result was quite natural. The North came to be hated by nearly half of the country, and the South saw itself largely as not a part of the same country as the North. Before the war, the majority of the US military officers were of southern origin. After the war, men of the South did not want to join the military of the conquerors. The war that had preservation of the Union as its stated aim lead to the great alienation (to say the least) of the part of the country that wanted out in the first place.

All that was eventually realized, and great efforts were extended in order to achieve reconciliation. They were largely successful, but it took decades for the wounds to heal. The people of the South were repeatedly told - and shown - that they are Americans too (and this statement was used in all sorts of slogans). The dignity of the both sides was acknowledged. There were eventually joint reunions for the surviving Civil War veterans from the both sides, like this one in 1913:


And so, why are the graves dug up again now (and sometimes the suggestions are to do it literally)? Why are the Confederate statues toppled, the battle flags of the South removed, the names of the southern man erased from the titles of the streets, and so on? Who wants to reopen the (relatively recently) healed wounds? Who wants (and are quite successful) to split this country in two once again?

Do not deceive yourself. All this is NOT about just the Confederate States of America. It is just that the Confederates are the most defenseless part of our history at the moment, and a very convenient application point for the old and reliable method of "divide and conquer". It will not stop there - and it is not stopping there already. Here is just a couple of examples:

<< A monument in Baltimore to Christopher Columbus — believed to be the first one erected to the Italian explorer in America — was vandalized....
A video posted to YouTube on Monday by a user named “Popular Resistance” shows a man striking the base of the monument near Herring Run Park repeatedly with a sledgehammer. Another person holds a sign that reads: “Racism, tear it down.” Another sign is taped to the monument reading: “The future is racial and economic justice.” >>


<<The Thomas Jefferson Monument, which sits just outside a rotunda at the University of Virginia -- which Jefferson also founded -- was cloaked in black Tuesday evening, and adorned with signs reading “Black Lives Matter” and “TJ is a racist,” local media reported. Nearly 100 students came together to deface the statue, chanting, “No Trump, No KKK, no racist U-V-A,” the Washington Times reported. >>

To be sure, this is not a huge and unexpected news to anybody who has been following these matters. The Columbus Day has long been replaced with all sorts of "Indigenous Peoples Days" by municipalities and school districts. Here is one of the latest cases, this time from Los Angeles:

And the Founders have long been labeled racists, etc. by the activists.

The attacks are not just on the Confederates. The attacks are on all those who belong to what is euphemistically called "the majority culture". And the mandatory talks for students regarding "the majority privilege" are a part of exactly the same process. These people will NOT be satisfied by destroying just the Robert E. Lee statues.

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DACA means "Deferred Action". It is really "Deferred Deportation". And so one would imagine that DACA recipients should not be surprised even if they are actually deported once their two-year deferral is over. But, as that person has pointed out, THIS PROGRAM WAS MARKETED TO THEM IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT. And I am in total agreement with that point. Yes, I am sure that it was presented to them as the first step on their way to citizenship. Why the name then? That's very simple. The name was designed to pacify the American public, to present it as simply a deferral of the upcoming deportation or other action, as nothing to worry about. And so, here is my question. Why do the left worry so much about hurting the sensitivity of the illegals, who may discover that they counted on staying here permanently but will actually not (yet) have their legal status, but the same people totally do not care about the American people being deceived by being presented various kinds of amnesties as no more than some minor and totally legal technicalities, nothing to pay attention to?

Another case of such a deceit is the mantra about the illegals having to learn English, pay back taxes and a fine, etc. While this is said, there are numerous waivers in place for people who cannot afford to pay this or that fine or fee.

And so, once again, why do the left care about the sensitivities and feelings of the illegals so much while at the same time deceiving the American public and not caring for them (the public) being shocked after discovering that something that sounds as benign as "deferred deportation" actually turns to be an intended permanent measure aimed as a springboard for amnesting the illegals?

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Those honorably discharged from the US military. I could not find any statistics on such DACA people though (and I am sure the numbers are minuscule). In general, I would not mind giving green cards to those who served at least eight years in our military and has been honorably discharged. However, I would have one huge concern here. It has been reported by multiple sources that about 75% of American youth would not be qualified to enlist (see for example https://www.thoughtco.com/us-youth-ineligible-for-military-…). I am sure the statistics is much worse among those who come here illegally and their children. And I am concerned that our politically correct multiculturalist society would actually create special enlistment and service conditions for these people to fit in as many of them as possible through this channel. Our military is currently one of the last still-great institutions in this country, it would be madness to destroy its quality as well.
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Apparently, New Hampshire allows to register to vote and to vote on the same day.

<< More than 6,500 people registered to vote on Election Day 2016 using out-of-state driver’s licenses and, as of last week, more than 5,300 of them still had not received New Hampshire licenses, state voting and safety officials said in a new report....5,313 of those who registered to vote on Nov. 8 using an out-of-state driver’s license as an ID had neither obtained a New Hampshire license nor registered a motor vehicle in the state as of a week ago. State law requires people who come to live in the state and have a motor vehicle to register that vehicle in the state and obtain a New Hampshire driver’s license within 60 days....

Jasper, R-Hudson, and state Sen. Regina Birdsell, R-Hampstead, who chairs the Senate Election Law Committee, said the most troubling piece of information turned up by the report is that the state’s recently approved participation in an Interstate State Voter Registration Crosscheck Program showed a potential for nearly 200 cases of double-voting.

“We are further analyzing 196 names that appear to have been marked on a New Hampshire checklist and one other state as having voted in the November 2016 general election,” Gardner and Barthelmes wrote. ...

"illegal voting by nonresidents" could have pushed Hillary Clinton to win New Hampshire's four electoral votes over Trump. Clinton won the Granite Statec contest by 2,700 votes. >>


While New Hampshire works to tighten their voter ID laws, the Democrats are doing what they can to stop them. And:

<< Marc Elias, a partner at the Washington, D.C.-based law firm Perkins Coie and Clinton's former top campaign lawyer, is listed as an attorney on the New Hampshire lawsuit....
Elias was behind a number of lawsuits that were filed against voter identification laws in recent years. >>


Now - I understand why do Democrats want to have as little of voter ID requirements and as little voter fraud protection as possible. What is interesting though is that their argument advanced for the public view essentially goes in the direction that voting should be as effortless as possible. And, while I do not think that there should be unreasonable hurdles for law abiding citizens on their way to the ballot box, I simply do not understand those who buy this argument that no efforts should be necessary at all. You want to vote? Get off your couch, take care to register in time to meet the deadline, get a drivers license or a state ID and vote.

I see that idea of effortless voting as a part of the left's agenda to destroy the very basic foundation principles of the society. To deny the need to make any effort at all and to deny the importance of any merit at all (of course, this only applies to certain groups of people, while the rest of us should be forever ashamed of our "majority privilege". But the idea slowly permeates the whole society as well, it is too seductive).

I am also amazed as to how insignificant the voting is considered to be by those who believe it's no big deal that you are not required to present your ID in so many states. Voting IS important, and voter fraud is NOT a victimless crime. Let me quote the good old Lieutenant:

"When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force my friends is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived."

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Here is a link to an interesting report by the Pew Research Center (which is hardly a right-wing source). http://www.pewhispanic.org/…/ii-identity-pan-ethnicity-and…/

The report is not about DREAM/DACA specifically. It is about all first-, second-, and third(and above)-generation Hispanic/Latino people in the US (more than three-quarters of illegal aliens in the US are of Latin American origin). It also does not distinguish between legal/illegal immigrants. And so one can reasonably expect that the data for the illegal population is actually somewhat worse or at least no better than the average. Moreover, all the DACA beneficiaries and their parents are actually in the first-generation category, as those who have been born in this country are considered to be citizens by birth and are not even in need of any deportation deferral. However, children of illegals born in the US do belong to the second-generation category.

Here are some of the findings:

62% of all the first-generation US Hispanics/Latino people identify themselves by the country of origin. Only 8% self-identify as Americans. The numbers for the second generation are 43% and 35%. Thus, even American-born children of Latino immigrants are more inclined to view themselves as a part of their parents' home country than the US (again, this includes children of both illegal and legal aliens, and it is not inconceivable that the numbers for the former are actually worse). Among all the Hispanics/Latino (not just first-generation!) with at least some college, 46% self-identify primarily with the country of their Latino origin and only 33% with the US.

Among all the Hispanics, 38% speak primarily Spanish, 24% speak primarily English. Among the first-generation (which includes all the DACAers and their parents), 61% speaks primarily Spanish, 6% speak primarily English (interestingly enough, 34% of foreign-born Hispanics still consider themselves to be "typical Americans", while 58% view themselves as been very different).

What the above means is that is is WRONG to paint DACA recipients as 100% Americans who self-identify as nothing but Americans and do not even know how to speak any language except for English. Most of them identify as foreigners and are well capable of speaking the language of their country of origin. The same is true for their parents, of course.

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(1) First and foremost, isn't it interesting that the left are considering this to be a punishment for a person born in a foreign country to have to go back to that country? Do they believe that it is everybody's right to live in America, and taking this right away is a punishment? (Yes, they actually do, and that is the main point they are trying to make)

(2) If you stop and think for a moment - nobody is preventing these DACA people from living in the US. They can go back to their country, get a working/student/whatever visa, and come to the US legally. Well, there is actually a law that says that if you are here illegally, this should make you ineligible for reentering this country for some time, but I do not think anybody remembers this "barbaric" (or rather very logical) law anymore, we are sooooo far beyond this as a society. And so, if these illegals are so vital to our economy, why cannot they come back on proper visas? Why do the left concentrate on a direct transitioning from illegal to amnested (one way or another) status? If the process of granting visas is so bad (not really, but let's assume this for the sake of the argument), why don't they work on a legislature to fix it (and they did not do it during the Obama years either)? The answer is clear. It's because of the point I made in (1) above. The left do not care about particular people, they care about instilling this notion that everybody has a right to come to the US, and that it is not up to the US to decide who is to be let in. They are fighting our sovereignty, the rest is much less important to them.

(3) Since they are talking about the actions of the parents of these DACE aliens - perhaps they would advocate for deporting the parents, those who committed the criminal act in the first place? No? Why not? So, they want NOBODY punished for that, and the phrase about punishing children for actions of their parents is just a convenient mantra aimed at causing a certain instinctive response, bypassing the rational facility.

(4) I have discovered that quite a few of those who are now hysterically attacking Trump for the "winding down" of DACA do not even know that the whole issue does not apply to those who have been born in this country (regardless of the immigration status of their parents). Do not get me wrong, children of illegals should not have automatic US citizenship. But this is what we have now. And it looks like many of the advocates are not even aware of this "little" detail. What can I say? Some people who are not so smart and not educated about the issues are being played by their leaders.

(5) On a more philosophical note - multiculturalism is teaching us that American culture is racist and - oh so terrrrible! - while cultures of other people are wise, broadening your horizons, and, in any case, by no means worse. If this is so, is it really such a terrible punishment to be deported from the US?


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